Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago

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Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
25 novembre, 2015 [12:14]
Ultimamente sto avendo problemi a bilanciare la difficoltà di una campagna di Scaglie di Drago. I pg sono 4 ( di solito) e sono giocatori tutto sommato bravi, abituati a prenderle e darle con uno spirito powerplay dietro ( anche se perennemente a corto di armatura fisiche ) però spesso li trovo in difficoltà schiacciante in sfide che non dovrebbero causare loro problemi. Provo a riarrangiare sul momento ma non sempre funziona perfettamente.

Per certo non vale più il discorso somma livello pg = LA impegnativo, e spesso un LA 5 contro un team di quattro personaggi al livello 2 può risultare in una grossa sfida ( più se ci si mette affaticamento e quanto).

Cosa sbaglio di preciso? Potete darmi consigli pratici a riguardo?
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
25 novembre, 2015 [10:24]
Dopo qualche tempo sono giunto alla conclusione che è il numero (e il tipo) di abilità speciali a quantificare il livello di difficoltà, non le QP e l'armatura.

di base; le QP sono sfidanti se sono pari al numero dei giocatori + il loro Livello medio. +0 per gli Spiriti, +1 per i Portatori, -2 per i Mortali.

poi, bisogna valutare quali poteri speciali possiede il PnG, e quali contromisure "dirette" abbiano i giocatori a disposizione; ad esempio, un incantatore può essere pericoloso, ma questo cambia se nel party si conosce Annulla Magia.
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
25 novembre, 2015 [11:29]
Quoto Driziel in tutto e per tutto, pure io uso un metodo simile per calcolare il livello medio da quando, durante la prima sessione di A&S, ho fatto affrontare ai miei giocatori vari mostri di numero e LA variabile.

Per dirla in parole povere, i D/A la fan da padrone, se i giocatori affrontano troppi nemici, non potranno mai avere abbastanza D/A da bloccare gli attacchi nemici e contrattaccare efficacemente, questo prolunga il combattimento e causa frustrazione, oltre che una possibile disfatta; d'altro canto, un boss che non ha abbastanza D/A (o abilità) per contrastare gli attacchi dei giocatori durerà molto poco, il che risulta molto anti-climax (in questo caso meglio incentrarsi sulle abilità del boss e dargli qualcosa come "Replica" o "Grazia Divina"winking smiley

Durante la mia prima sessione di Scaglie di Drago infatti, i miei giocatori han letteralmente sciolto il grande dragone antico, custode della porta della cittadella dimenticata, in circa 2 giri; mentre invece sono stati praticamente massacrati da uno stormo di piccioni LA0 ^^.
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
25 novembre, 2015 [01:13]
Quindi, secondo le linee guida che mi hai proposto 4 mortali al livello 2 si devono impegnare nello sconfiggere un 4+2-2 = 4?
Oppure intendevi un 4×2 -2 = 6?

Ovviamente poi devono essere soppesate magie e via discorrendo - ma il mio problema al momento sono i valori crudi

EDIT: piccioni assassini op, li ho visti solo ora grinning smiley



Modificato 2 volte. Ultima modifica il giorno 25/11/2015 [01:15] a cura di Dereet.
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
25 novembre, 2015 [02:34]
Dereet Scritto:
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> Quindi, secondo le linee guida che mi hai proposto
> 4 mortali al livello 2 si devono impegnare nello
> sconfiggere un 4+2-2 = 4?
> Oppure intendevi un 4×2 -2 = 6?
>
> Ovviamente poi devono essere soppesate magie e via
> discorrendo - ma il mio problema al momento sono i
> valori crudi
>
> EDIT: piccioni assassini op, li ho visti solo ora
> grinning smiley

La prima. e uso questo metodo per valutare anche una SINGOLA QP. nell'esempio da te fatto, un PnG che segue la formula (QP = 4), se è esaltato in VIolenza sarà qualcosa di micidiale, anche escludendo le capacità secondarie.

Riguardo (appunto) le capacità secondarie, si dividono in quattro grandi gruppi;

-Movimento speciale (volo, arrampicata, passamuri, scavare, ecc); si applica solo se usarle può portare vantaggio al PnG
-DpS (Fiammata, Palla di Fuoco, ecc).
-Controllo delle informazioni (Telepatia, scouter, radar)
-Contromisure (Scudi energetici, Evocare Creature, Annulla Magia)

Se il PnG ha una caratteristica per blocco, allora è un Boss.
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
25 novembre, 2015 [03:16]
Deve avere una caratteristica per blocco per essere un boss... di che tipo esattamente? Di fine campagna, di fine arco narrativo, di fine sessione..? Se un pg ha solo un determinato numero di blocchi come pensi di classificarlo?

Inoltre come lo vedi un personaggio, posto sempre il team di esempio posto sopra, che è un LA 2 esaltato in violenza? Nemico comune, nemico non esagerato ma rimarchevole o altro? Lo.sto chiedendo non in relazione a un caso pratico ( un pg del genere arciere non sarebbe un pg comune, ma un vero e proprio tormento! ) ma come una sorta di prevalutazione per distribuire le curve di potenza ( o.difficoltà ) di una missione prima di assestare definitivamente le sfide da superare.
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
25 novembre, 2015 [03:51]
Dereet Scritto:
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> Deve avere una caratteristica per blocco per
> essere un boss... di che tipo esattamente? Di fine
> campagna, di fine arco narrativo, di fine
> sessione..? Se un pg ha solo un determinato numero
> di blocchi come pensi di classificarlo?
direi che è un Boss di fine sessione se TUTTE le sue QP sono pari o inferiori al livello "sfidante".


>
> Inoltre come lo vedi un personaggio, posto sempre
> il team di esempio posto sopra, che è un LA 2
> esaltato in violenza? Nemico comune, nemico non
> esagerato ma rimarchevole o altro? Lo.sto
> chiedendo non in relazione a un caso pratico ( un
> pg del genere arciere non sarebbe un pg comune, ma
> un vero e proprio tormento! ) ma come una sorta di
> prevalutazione per distribuire le curve di potenza
> ( o.difficoltà ) di una missione prima di
> assestare definitivamente le sfide da superare.

direi che è un pg non esagerato ma rimarchevole smiling smiley di base, l'esaltazione la puoi controllare tu, calibrandola in base al gruppo
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
26 novembre, 2015 [11:49]
Dipende anche come te lo giochi.
Ad esempio, nel caso di un arciere, se combatte in campo aperto avrà un vantaggio minimo che durerà solo finché i giocatori non lo raggiungono (magari in quel caso converrebbe fosse un arciere a cavallo); se lo fai combattere in un'arena piena di dislivelli dove può muoversi agevolmente e colpire sempre da distanza sarà una sfida ardua; se lo fai combattere in una foresta, mimetizzato, che si sposta di continuo senza farsi vedere (magari con "Passo dello Spettro) e che ha piazzato pure delle trappole a giro, allora sarà un vero tormento ^^
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
26 novembre, 2015 [12:51]
Furako Scritto:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Dipende anche come te lo giochi.
> Ad esempio, nel caso di un arciere, se combatte in
> campo aperto avrà un vantaggio minimo che durerà
> solo finché i giocatori non lo raggiungono
> (magari in quel caso converrebbe fosse un arciere
> a cavallo); se lo fai combattere in un'arena piena
> di dislivelli dove può muoversi agevolmente e
> colpire sempre da distanza sarà una sfida ardua;
> se lo fai combattere in una foresta, mimetizzato,
> che si sposta di continuo senza farsi vedere
> (magari con "Passo dello Spettro) e che ha
> piazzato pure delle trappole a giro, allora sarà
> un vero tormento ^^




Ho presente, ho presente.
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
26 novembre, 2015 [01:27]
Al limite lo faccio morire dopo una settimana e si risolve! grinning smiley

Altra domanda: voi come pesate il potere di un npc, sempre generico, in grado di evocare unità?

Inoltre quali tipi di "benefici" siete soliti a dare a boss o a personaggi particolarmente potenti? Tipo non far decadere magie, avere delle magie sempre attive etx
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
26 novembre, 2015 [01:53]
"quante contromisure hanno i PnG per annullare il vantaggio portato da questo potere" ?


rispondi a questa domanda; se i PG hanno mezzi semplici (ossia, che possano fare meccanicamente e in un round) allora è un potere ininfluente.

Se i PG hanno mezzi diretti (ossia, che possano fare meccanicamente MA che richiedano tiri alti o molti Giri) allora il Boss ne trae vantaggio.

Se i PG hanno solo mezzi indiretti (ossia, che NON possano risolvere la cosa con i soli poteri di scheda, ma creando situazioni narrative appropriate) allora il Boss avrà un vantaggio schiacciante. Ci può stare! ma si rischia lo sbilanciamento
Re: Difficoltà Scaglie di Drago
27 novembre, 2015 [11:20]
Io vado sempre a "stile"; il vantaggio di A&S è che anche se i giocatori perdono possono sempre continuare se prendono possesso di un altro corpo ^^.
Per la sessione di SdD invece, erano un numero così soverchiante (un'evocatrice, un evocato svincolato, un troll, un arciere, un guaritore e un vagabondo mutilato con evoca bot) che dovevo fargli affrontare 2 boss alla volta o fargli usare strategie sgrave per rendere lo scontro un pochino avvincente XD
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