Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )

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Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )
17 febbraio, 2015 [04:02]
Salve a tutti, avrei bisogno di chiarimenti sulla magia indaco ( anche se so che per ora non è una idea finita, ma mi ritrovo in playtest ) [docs.google.com] (Non posseggo nessun diritto su questo materiale, il quale è una idea di Imistar) in particolare su Mutan le stelle.

Sommariamente il procedimento di esecuzione lo ho intuito, ciò che mi sfugge sono diversi altri fattori a cui sono venuto incontro durante un gameplay vero e proprio, eccoli :

Dubbio 1

Io (fuori dalla battaglia) : evoco creatura ad esempio di livello 3

Inizio battaglia : il mostro/cattivo di turno mi attacca poichè solitamente ha più valore di me .
Io in battaglia : Mutan le stelle con una potenza complessiva di 25 (LA+1) , dunque trasformo la creatura lvl 3 in una costellazione di livello 4.

Il mio dubbio sorge qua, ovvero : ammesso che la battaglia si svolge fra [mostro],[me],[costellazione lvl4]...
Adesso la mia costellazione può agire? Ovvero, la mia creatura può attaccare nello stesso turno in cui ha subito Mutan le stelle? Come mai me lo chiedo? La costellazione non è stata evocata in quel turno, ma essa è una creatura evocata in precedenza che si è solo trasformata.

Dubbio 2

A patto che controllo ancora la creatura da me evocata e questa è liberata dal vincolo, posso bersagliare questa creatura per trasformarla in una costellazione anch'essa liberata dal vincolo?

Dubbio 3

Nel caso della costellazione di livello 4 prima citata ( cioè che già ha subito l'influsso di mutan le stelle ), è possibile che a fine battaglia io possa riproporre la medesima creatura nuovamente come bersaglio di mutan le stelle?
Ovvero prendo la costellazione di livello 4 e con un mutan le stelle complessivo di 25 ne possa io aumentare ancora il livello anima ?

Dubbio 4

Citando dall'indaco : Ogni Costellazione evocata è custode di una magia che è in grado di infondere nel suo protetto.
Questo mi ha fatto sorgere un dubbio : con la parola protetto non si intende mago, giusto? Bensì si intende colui sul quale il mago sceglie di far cadere la benedizione della costellazione?

Dubbio 5

Nel caso volessi che la mia costellazione facesse una determinata magia, che so ... unione (eheheh) ... potrei inventare sul momento una costellazione per farle fare quella magia nel caso in cui sia già stato concordato con il master? (esempio : in questo caso mi viene in mente costellazione amanti formata dall'unione della costellazione della lira piu' quella dell'aquila) .

Dubbio 6 ( questo è più un chiarimento delle dinamiche )

Questa combo, in mod gioco libero fuori dalla battaglia, è fattibile?

Fine battaglia : posseggo una costellazione di livello 4

Fuori dalla battaglia : Io mago caos/indaco liv 7 (4D/A)
Utilizzo mutan le stelle utilizzando tutti i miei dadi ed avere dunque un risultato che da LA+2, dunque aggiungo 2 al livello anima della costellazione e poi la divido in creature di livello 1, quindi 6 creature di livello 1.

A questo punto ho il dubbio : posso utilizzare nuovamente la mia azione migliorata? ( Esempio : nel caso in cui io sia da solo con i miei compagni d'avventura ).

Nel caso in cui io possa allora sacrifico le creature di livello 1 con ecatombe per fullarmi Valore e PM .

Altro dubbio che più che altro è sulla meccanica di ecatombe : il costo in PM lo pago prima o dopo che la magia mi fulli? poichè, nel caso in cui lo pagassi prima, dopo l'effetto della magia mi troverei interamente full.

Mi rendo conto solo adesso del muro di testo eheheehe ma, come al solito, grazie in anticipo per l'aiuto winking smiley
Soprattutto spero di aiutare sollevando questi dubbi ( e di non rompere troppo tongue sticking out smiley )



Modificato 2 volte. Ultima modifica il giorno 17/02/2015 [04:15] a cura di MrVeritas.
Re: Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )
17 febbraio, 2015 [04:57]
1) usare mutan le stella è in pratica come fare un evocazione, quindi è come se la costellazione fosse appena stata evocata, valgolo le regole standard delle evocazioni.

2) no, perchè mutan le stelle modifica il risultato della magia evocante, quando liberi dal vincolo questa magia svanisce.

3) si si, tieni conto che per aumentare di 1 LA con mutan le stelle spendi 2 PM, con una evocazione normale la differenza invece è di 0 o 1 PM a seconda del tiro ...

4) in teoria si intende il mago, ma questo è uno dei punti in sospeso (far buffare solo il mago o un generico bersaglio), ma questa diatriba la può sciogliere solo il Curte. Il punto è che al di là di tutto con l'evocazione un mago di livello 1 viene ad avere 7 magie a disposizione (un po potente come cosa) quindi per controbilanciare questa cosa avevo pensato che le potesse fare solo su se stesso (che conunque non è poco).
Diversamente bisognerà controbilanciare consentendo il lancio delle magie solo a costellazioni di LA elevati (5 - 6 - 7).

5) ... col master puoi concordare quello che vuoi, come dice il Curte fate quello che è più figo, tieni conto che la filosofia delle costellazioni è lanciare incantesimi protettivi o difensivi sul mago evocante ...

6) direi di si per la formazione di 6 creature LA1 - il costo di ecatombe va pagato prima.


spero di aver risposto correttamente a tutto grinning smiley
Re: Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )
17 febbraio, 2015 [05:49]
Perfetto i primi 3 dubbi mi sono stati completamente risolti.

Per quanto riguarda il quarto, anche se bisogna ancora mettere a punto qualcosa, ho un dubbio : Come fa la costellazione teschio a lanciare maledizione "in favore" del proprio protetto? E comunque si, mi sono reso conto che è le costellazioni sono leggermente sgrave, ma se si conta che se evocate in battaglia sono un pò prive di valore in confronto ad altre evocazioni e devono aspettare un turno prima di eseguire una determinata magia... Forse ai livelli più bassi può essere considerata sgrava come cosa, ma tutto sommato alla fin dei conti non lo è xD. Per i nemici buttar giù una costellazione sarà facile come buttar giù un castello di sabbia.

Il quinto dubbio è una cosa soggettiva quindi passiamo oltre xD.

Ed infine se per la combo 6 è tutto apposto, ne abuserò tantissimo xD.
Re: Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )
17 febbraio, 2015 [06:54]
4) Il fatto di avere un valore basso è parte del bilanciamento.
il bilanciamento è sempre una cosa complicata, nel dubbio io tendo sempre ad essere sotto la media o low power, per non sbilanciare il gioco base, come filosofia generale. Bravo, la domanda sul teschio è ottima, il fatto è che il nero non ha magie essenziali che si lancino sul mago ... quindi ho scelto la meno violenta e quella più in linea con il mood del indaco, che è di base un colore poco violento.

5) esatto, ad esempio, possochiedere al master di evocare uno spettro blu che al posto di mimica ha signore delle marionette ... da manuale non esiste, ma se il master lo concede va bene, ad esempio non ho creato le costellazioni per i colori selfmade, 1 per non rendere veramente troppo esagerato il parco incantesimi che si verrebbe a creare con una sola magia. In generale quello che posso consigliare è di non aumentare il numero delle costellazioni ma seostituire quelle esistenti: ti può concedere la costellazione con unione ma perdi quella dei gemelli o perdi sdoppiamento soltanto ...

C'è comunque da dire che la coerenza del personaggio è fondamentale un personaggio di tipo indaco bianco, quindi molto buono, che evoca in continuo puer costellazioni spada e si fa fare arma infuocata a nastro per fare stragi, a mio avviso non dovrebbe prendere punti eroismo...
Coerenza e buon senso, un conto è modificare le regole per adattare il gioco all'idea del nostro PG un discorso è ciurlare nel manico per strappare un power PG fuori dalle regole

grinning smiley
Re: Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )
23 febbraio, 2015 [04:14]
Rieccomi xD. Giocando ho avuto un ennesimo dubbio, ovvero questo :

Come funziona la sinergia fra "Esercito di Cloni" magia rosa e "Mutan Le Stelle"?
Come mai lo chiedo?

Esercito di cloni evoca il doppio degli evocati rispetto alle normali evocazioni, pur evocando qualcosa di più debole del normale. Detto questo infatti sarebbe svantaggioso ad esempio evocare una costellazione di livello 3 ==> fare un tiro di mutan le stelle di 25 ==> evocare un clone di livello 4 .

Pero' al tempo stesso sarebbe vantaggiosissimo evocare un esercito di cloni e poi trasformarlo in costellazioni ( o altre creature ).

è possibile dunque fare questo?

Mago Caos/Indaco LA7 ( MA 6 ) (4D/A) (8AM)

Tiro per esercito di cloni : 6 , [16],5,7 +6MA+8AM = 30 evoco un esercito di 8 cloni LA1
Tiro Mutan Le Stelle : [11],[11],5,2+6MA+8AM = 36 ==> LA +2

Ora arriva il dubbio, ovvero quale è valida fra le due che seguono?

1) LA + 2 si aggiunge ai cloni ==> Posso evocare una creatura di livello 7 ( o 10 se concordato con il master )
2) LA +2 è da considerarsi come << scala di 2 file nella tabella >> quindi sacrifico 8 cloni di LA1 per evocare una creatura LA6.

Grazie in anticipo per la disponibilità grinning smiley
Re: Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )
23 febbraio, 2015 [07:04]
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anche il Rosa! Non sei più un mito o più un pazzo comunque non invidio il tuo master!!! State facendo da cavie per le interazioni fra colori fan made!

Assolutamente la versione 2, perchè si applica alla riga dell'evocazione non agli evocati.

in ogni caso, se volessi evocare una situazione mista, vista la natura degli evocati Rosa dovresti sempre avere un rapporto 2 a 1
cioè 2 evocati Rosa per 1 costellazione e viceversa di pari LA ovviamente
Re: Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )
23 febbraio, 2015 [07:06]
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anche il Rosa! Non sei più un mito o più un pazzo comunque non invidio il tuo master!!! State facendo da cavie per le interazioni fra colori fan made!

Assolutamente la versione 2, perchè si applica alla riga dell'evocazione non agli evocati.

in ogni caso, se volessi evocare una situazione mista, vista la natura degli evocati Rosa dovresti sempre avere un rapporto 2 a 1
cioè 2 evocati Rosa per 1 costellazione e viceversa di pari LA ovviamente
Re: Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )
23 febbraio, 2015 [09:04]
I know I am crazy tongue sticking out smiley Grazie ancora grinning smiley ( comunque questi dubbi sono del master stesso e non miei, non è colpa mia se li vuole usare xD )
Re: Indaco - Mutan le Stelle ed Evocazioni ( Chiarimenti )
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